non-politician character that people seem to like. >> monica i'll pick up on jeb bush. one would argue, even with trump in the lead in the polls, with the establishment support, that jeb bush may be structurally the front runner in this race. i have to say, sitting there on the stage with him, i thought he had a kind of tepid performance and faded a little into the background. do you agree or no? >> i totally agree, chris. as i was watching last night, i thought i could physically see him receding on the stage. he's a very intelligent man. he gave a fine and respectful performance. but given the field, i don't think that cuts it. you have to bring your energy and passion. that's a problem that jeb bush has had on the campaign trail from the start. he doesn't look hungry for this race and he doesn't look hungry for the job. when you're surrounded by so many others who, in fact are, i think it made jeb bush look like