very succinctly precise numbers for the entire -- all four branches of the military. there's nobody else thinking at that level of detail at this time. >> you know, there are those, and i'm sure you've seen the reports the next day who felt she was steely and robotic. she has not r grairbia grairbiated herself to the american people. she's book smart, we know that, on issues she hasn't had a chance to deal with. what does she need to do, gillian? >> that's something i felt, too. i get people are sensitive about this because they don't like to say as a woman, she's not being friendly and warm and fuzzy. that aside, i did feel the steeliness you mentioned. the only way i would push back against you on that is that's really style. she can work on that but the substance was there. she talked about nuances i don't think the other candidates get.