and running out of the venue. isabel hodgins was at the concert at manchester arena. she joins us now live on the phone. thank you for talking to us. what a difficult evening for everybody. >> martha: we are going to continue to monitor this. james was here with us this evening on another story pretty is the former director of the cia. thank you very much for being here and for rolling with it in this breaking news story that we have. we did this feel like to you this point? >> first impressions are often wrong when things like this. but it could've been a balloon, which is something that's floated around. to have panic and people killed and others injured based on something like that is not very british. my british friends are pretty cool under fire. if there was a real explosion,