of the kurds, and the kurds are our allies. we also have that nato ally, turkey is in support. we have to do utilize diplomacy. get everyone at the table. again, you can make progress diplomatically. if and when they we had the table and everyone around the table knows there's a threat of military action. gimmick if diplomacy fails. so may times, as a diplomat. if i am going to a meeting, we knew that we had the upper hand. we knew that we could deliver if everybody around the table would realize that if we failed in this moment around the table, that we would have to transfer the files to the pentagon, and the pentagon doesn't negotiate. >> sandra: what you make so far, rick, about the top administration messaging on all of this intercommunication and all this?