these children to be $25 billion for a wall when we have all of the needs that we have for infrastructure, in our own country? so this is the fight that we will be having, not about people, but about values, not just about people but about values. >> so, kimberly, let me come to you. one of the angles that surprises me, obviously democrats aren't onboard. but there's strong opposition coming from people like ted cruz, who says, hey, there was no pathway to citizenship in daca and you're offering them one. or breitbart calls it evidence of amnesty dodge. you look at people who have been strong, herridge saying this is a nonstarter. >> pretty consistent with the earlier, precursor criticisms. but we have said at this table, he's a deal maker and he'll want
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