happened. and that we can hold the people accountable that are responsible. brian: so we know this in 2010, december, there was a shootout near the rio ricco after the unit was confronted they confronted a so-called rip crew. it looks like the weapon recovered at the scene ak 47 to kill him was traced back to the fast and furious program which is obviously a folly. and was a program that resulted in the death of your brother. so, what do you -- do you want someone held accountable for this program, for the shooting? what do you want? >> yes. i think there should be examples set in place so this doesn't happen again. there is no one in the atf, doj that has been held accountable. everybody is still actively working. nobody punished. there may be a slap on the hand. dennis burke got a $2,000 fine and lost his lawyer's license. you know, we paid 15 grand to put my brother in the