she couldn't hold things when she was 75 because she held things her whole life. that's white privilege. >> i don't think people understand what white privilege is referring to. it doesn't negate hard work and actually try to refer to guilt. the other thing that i would refer to or try to respond to ms. malkin's comment and that is, you know, this is meant to make good citizens. make us understand one another and understand our experiences. >> laura: i'm all about that. >> no. >> excuse me, hold on. as far as i was -- your mother's hard work, so let's take a quick, quick met for metr here. if i'm running a race and you are running a steeple race and i'm running a straight path it doesn't mean that you are not faster than me. and didn't train harder than i did. it means you have a clearest path and i have certain obstacles. >> laura: we all have obstacle he is. >> not all our obstacles are the same.