the cia director. >> jon: it's fair to say and i don't want to pick on john mccain. he's a national hero and he's undergoing treatment for brain cancer but he's one of those that has said that water boarding is torture and we do not torture in this count trip. >> so that was our policy. that is something that we were working our way through at the time. we worked through it with a real sense of urgency. it's not like gina is a person that came up with this idea and advocated it on her own. she was doing what she was authorized to do at the time. >> jon: very quickly, are you making predictions about her approval? >> you know, senate is very close. we have a couple of republicans that are a rascal. you don't know what they'll do. if she can get before the full senate, she will be approved. there's a handful of democrats that will look and say look, let's treat her fairly. she's clearly qualified. she deserves a vote and i think