columbia that have the same rules as connecticut does. there are other states that have different rules. texas for instance, requires transgender athletes to compete based on their birth certificate. there are a whole series of rules. and i don't see the aclu getting involved with any of these other states. >> tucker: what about the olympics? what should the olympics do? >> well, the olympics, and i was part of the group that put in the rules in 2016, went to a hormone-based separator between male and female athletes. and i think that's an appropriate policy. >> tucker: doesn't that, that still gives the advantage to biological men on average, over biological women, does it not? >> there are both advantages and disadvantages. hormone therapy makes a lot of difference but it doesn't change height. on average, transgender women,