of interviews with robert mueller that at no point did the president exceed his authority as commander-in-chief. jon: it's interesting because the times says, you know, what's going to -- what will be determined here is how the president receives the news of mcgahn's cooperation. well, the president is out with that tweet just now in which he says he allowed don mcgahn to meet with the special counsel. according to the president, it is not a big deal. >> yes exactly. the president's attitude towards this probe, the documentation, to all the white house interviews, the reason he is not even -- he's waived executive privilege in so many cases is because as i said he is insistent. he's being remarkably cooperative to his own detriment, many legal authorities say. they are saying, you know, even if he has done absolutely nothing wrong, if this is truly a witch hunt which they desire to take the president down, he should not be so open. but because all of this is essentially a political matter,