>> eric: how about those who say you don't have anything to worry about in a perjury trap if you just tell the truth? >> that's true. but just take for example what the president said about being able to run the mueller investigation if he wanted. that was -- i took that as a joke of bravado. it is an extension of the legal advice he has that he has lots of flexibility. he says things which get him into trouble and people take seriously. he is not the kind of witness that giuliani would like to put on the stand. >> eric: he also said if i say something that he, comey, says something and it's my word against his and he is best friends with mueller so mueller might say well, i believe comey, maybe even if i'm telling the truth it makes me a liar, it is no good. >> eric: the one man jury is robert mueller. >> sandra: he can believe whatever he wishes to believe. president trump puts things in