finance violations. far worse crimes committed by others. earlier today, bret baier raises very, very important question. let's take a look. speak of campaign finance violation, because the way he phrased it, he was directed by the candidate to do that and submitted that money to be repaid by the trumpy organization, that is a direct liability. but i cany. already see the bate lines being drawn here illegally because i just got an email saying the fact that he pleads guilty to campaign violations does not mean that the payments were criminal violations. this did not go to trial and you could have people like former fec chairman bradley smith saying that payment is not a violation, which is what rudy giuliani was saying in his interview earlier. so that, you can arty begin to the trump lawyers potentially, and others, make my case that this would not be a violation. obviously the prosecutors. sayig it is and michael cohen is on the hook for it right now. >> sean: meanwhile, many of the other charges against michael cohen'sur around, let's