i listened to it. they said it wasn't an inaudible. but i heard pam. >> greg: it was pam dauber from mork and mindy. >> jesse: the president was saying these are personal funds he used two pass through a lawyer to have this woman sign an nda. it was a personal matter. maybe you did affect the campaign but the primary reason was to settle it to not cause any harm to the marriage, to not cause any bad publicity or just get it out of the way because she had been asking for money for quite some time. >> dana: if it turns out it's from his own personal checkbook and it didn't go through the campaign, there may be he's got a point. i don't see how the prosecutors could have gotten cohen to plead guilty for something if it was not actually campaign money. >> juan: what about the money for the "national enquirer"? it was from the "national enquirer" to karen mcdougal, the "playboy" model.