if not, is impeachment a legitimate alternative? >> pam: if it is a legitimate case. that's probably what mueller is looking to put together, and impeachment memo. possibly, right. i don't feel they have a lot to do it. it is super high standard, you've got to have a majority of the house, then a ghost of the senate. two-thirds. it's not going to happen. because of what i said earlier, you cannot link the president back to this. first of all, it has nothing to do with russia. you have some guy, michael gaughan, saying i would take a bullet for trump. then he is going after the president. he has zero credibility. they would have to have a credible, substantial, independent information to corroborate anything cohen says. i think, like you said, for mueller to even write impeachment memo, it's just not there. they can't go forward with it. >> juan: jesse, yesterday in court, cohen said trump