and it's been really helpful to us to have someone that's actually advocating for us, understands the issues, and as we explain the fractures that we are seeing as victims, he gets the big picture and we just trust that -- clearly, we need more of chips, too, to help not just put pressure on enforcing the existing laws, but influencing change, so this can stop. i mean, our mission, our justice position is to not have one other family go through this compete horror that we're having to go through. >> laura: i'm going to talk to you off-line because i want to try to help your family as well. i'll be in touch with you after the show, but thank you for coming on. i don't know how i'm going to do the rest of the show. this is so enraging that a single american loses a life because of these ridiculous policies.