citizens -- for bids private citizens talking about a foreign -- they were two prosecutions both unsuccessful. nobody has been prosecuted for that in modern times including you know, jane and rodman and other people talking to people that we had disputes with. maria: so they knew that he spoke to kislyak. >> they had a recording of it. maria: had the recording and yet, he was afraid of the logan act? >> i doubt he is afraid of the logan act. no one is afraid of it is probably unconstitutional. maria: so why lie? >> that is a good question. maybe he was afraid of possible scandals about the trump contact with the russians. i don't know.but he could conceivably have lied out of
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