then over time they will start to on the mantle of the shutdown. so i think he's right to stick to his guns and be reasonable and make reasonable offers. >> bret: karen, we put up the pie chart often about this particular shutdown and what has been funded and what is still really in doubt here, whether it gets a deal and that is 25%, not yet enacted bills in the spending bills. that's still a lot of people potentially who are affected as it could last into the new year. >> and this idea that this is just a short-term impact and that they will all get their backpay, the fact is for these government workers their mortgage payments still comes due. their credit card payments still comes due. if so a lot of these people are living paycheck to paycheck and also, there are a lot of federal workers, people who work for the government, who are contractors, who clean the building who