it all politics that 55 miles couldn't have been more? was it about a political victory for the democratic party with this? >> look, this is not easy for me to say, charles, but yes. if you look at what is in the bill, again, the 55 miles and the limitations they put. they're going to result in zero being done. i can draw no other conclusion. that i rejected all of the experts, what they need to safeguard the southwest border. they rejected and say time and time again, it's immoral and i believe effective. the data and facts reject that. the wall is part of a multilayer strategy and works and the facts are there. they're rejecting it. it's all identity politics 100% and this country is suffering because of that. >> mark, who in the democratic party have you tried to reach out to? >> so i've tried to reach out to several different committees where i wanted to say, hey, look, i'm here. i want to talk to you on both