missiles. it's done for one reason only, to preserve the regime. what he wants in return for that, i don't think, is necessarily economic prosperity. he would like that, but what's essential to him is security. and that'll take time to acquire the trust that's necessary between the united states and north korea, south korea and china to be able to work that. paul: all right. you mentioned -- let's talk about what comes next. you mentioned doubling down on the sanctions and enforcement and calling out violaters. what else do we need to do? >> we feed to finally get a path going forward. theor truth is north korea refud to talkk to us up until a few weeks ago when steven bigham, the envoy for mike pompeo, was able to talk to his counterpart. let's put our structure on a pathway forward where we get experts talking to each other before we engage the heads of state. let's not send the president of the united states over there with the page blank.
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