>> melissa: there is no passion behind it. >> dagen: i want to get katie and hear about the head-to-head. we are taking a look at the head-to-head versus the democratic candidates and donald trump. i mentioned in the introduction, he doesn't even poll of a 40%. is that meaningful at this point? >> katie: i would say no. [laughs] especially if you go state-by-state. when you compare the policies directly, that's not what is being asked in terms of the polling and the questioning here. you are going to have to wait until there is one candidate to really understand whether president trump will beat them or not. >> jessica: we are 14 months out. i think trendlines are important to focus on and there was one result from this that we didn't have up on the board, extremely important. 60% of democratic voters want a return to normalcy in washington, versus only 36% that want a revolution. >> katie: what does that mean, though? >> jessica: joe biden's normalcy. lindley going back to the obama-biden years. as far as donors, they might not look