debates with hillary and i think the first debate they -- excuse me, on the first debate, they oscillated the micy oscillated it very, very seriously. and actually apologized to me. i said what's this all about? they were quentin people and i said we ought to just do the debates ourselves, we ought to just do it ourselves and i pick -- you know, i'm the president, so we want to have debates, i would rather just do it ourselves, pick some good anchor so i end up with chris wallace, was essentially -- but, his father did me once or twice, twice i guess come on "60 minutes," he was great, mike. chris is not mike, that i can tell you, he's not even close, but chris was terrible. he was protecting biden the whole night. i asked biden about why did to get all of that money from the mayor of russia, from the wife of the mayor of russia and chris wouldn't let that be answered. when i said why did he do the