are we out of the recession completely now? and do you think this is going to continue? >> we are out of the recession. we're creating jobs. we're creating just about all over the place. there's still a few weak spots but by in large this is an across the board recovery. manufacturing, nonresidential construction, a lot of the service sectors, and we're going to see more of this. we're going to see steady jobs creation. now, we're not going to see the kinds of job creation we'd like to coming out of a derecession so we get the unemployment rate down. it's a beginning. the stimulus package has helped. now we can move beyond that. the energy policy, trade policy with china. let's get that stuff straightened out so we can get up to 5,000, 6,000, 7,000. >> is this the stimulus package working? >> oh, the stimulus package is part of the puzzle. it certainly is working. only a fool would say it didn't play a role. the private sector on its own, though, is recovering and only a fool would say that's not playing a role. it's everybody hands together.