when this sort of bloat occurs in the pentagon, they create something called the b.r.a.c., the base realignment and closure commission. it comes up with a review and says this should be closed. the president can either say yes or no. it is an up or down vote. they don't get to take it apart. we need a b.r.a.c. for homeland security and intelligence, because it is putting us at risk having all of these organizations tripping over each other. >> did you see this coming, knowing there would be an expansion and the creation of a homeland security department? did you see, did you anticipate that it would expand this much over this period of time? >> lawrence, i don't think anybody could have imagined it would have expanded this much. metropolitan washington is being paved over with office complexes for top secret clearances. i was amazed when i found out the new national counter terrorism center was not a consolidation of existing centers, but yet another center on top of what already existed. this is dangerous, it is wasteful, and right now, there