is that ever going to go away, that kind of patronage? >> it will never go away. now it is expanded. now the recipient, the political supporters, want big bucks. in addition to the snow buttons and the low-level jobs, blue collar jobs, pin stripe patronage goes to people more at home in the boardroom than on the assembly line. it includes huge contracts for halliburton and -- >> do you think puccini helped them get that job? >> he didn't do a thing. he didn't have a raise an eyebrow or anything. they knew dick cheney was halliburton. >> i think it was during katrina that we saw the disaster of federal aid not getting down there.