politically poisonous. you cannot get away with doing that and not touching the big three, making your math add up and actually being popular in the polls. >> you're cutting cops, you're cutting teachers, you're cutting infrastructure. you're cutting, against, r & d, all the things china's investing in right now. listen, i understand as a small government conservative, there's waste everywhere. let's go after waste. >> waste, fraud and abuse. >> waste, fraud and abuse. those are the last things we get to. we have to cut pentagon spending and social security, and medicare. after doing that, if you then have to go into classrooms, then have to pull cops off the street, then talk to me about that. that's not your starting point. >> well, here's what mitch mcconnell said on fox. >> excessive government spending, running up debt, making us look like a western european country is the wrong direction, that's the direction they took the first two years.