>> i would go after oil royalties. i would also go after those individuals who haven't paid their taxes. >> do you represent a farm district? >> parts of my district are, but we don't sort of load up in our district like people in other parts of the country who are farmers. the average farmer in our district maybe that farms gets $11,000 from the program. out in iowa, they get $140,000. >> here's the problem the รง democrats have, to be fair to you, because you came in tonight. the fact is the democrats have a hard time identifying programs they'd be willing to cut. >> well, they have no plan. look, the democratic congress last year never presented a budget. >> so what's the president going to do tomorrow night? >> who knows. he's just showing up to the debate. he didn't say anything at the state of the union about -- >> apparently, let me ask you both. right down the middle with this. the president is apparently going to get out behind the bipartisan commission. erskine bowles and alan simpson, he was here last night on our show last night, alan simpson.