government conservatives, they're afraid to touch it. becausethy thank -- that's the bigger story here, isn't it? >> well, here's the deal on this stuff. newt is -- one of the nice things i like about newt gingrich, he basically says what's on his mind. what ryan wants to do is lunacy. i think gingrich is right. i'm sure we don't agree on a lot of stuff. her's the deal on middle class tich entitlements, you have to have a safety net otherwise they're not middle class anymore. the problem is not medicare and medicaid, you fix the entire health care system and you fix the entire system and have the solution. >> i thought with spent the last year and a half doing that. >> that didn't happen under mitt romney in massachusetts and didn't happen under the president. you change the system and eliminate the type of medicine