you can still make it part of the standard or the default, will you let's not take the options off the table. >> that's not his plan. >> michael, i know you to be a compassionate guy. if you want to do a default plan, i'll listen, because what it means is that the medicare option of staying in medicare is still available to seniors if they choose it, but this they want this voucher, they can go ahead and get it. that's something that's worth discussing, but the ryan plan doesn't say that. let me tell you, there isn't a health insurance company out there that's going to insure an 80-year-old for $15,000. >> but that 80-year-old is grandfathered into the system. we're talking about the 80-year-old of the future. >> and they won't be able to get health care for $15,000 by then.
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