his son had to keep interjecting to save him and help him, but they all maintained a particular line, and that was that they didn't know anything. that they obfuscate wld it came to payments and settlements and repeat dld blamed nameless individuals much lower down the food chain. is that really satisfactory, to people, for example, like the parents of a 13-year-old child who had been murdered, but whose cell phone had been hacked repeatedly by "news of the world" journalists so they could listen to messages left on her phone? i don't think they're satisfied by that kind of answer as all. i think a lot of people also are wondering, as robert moore was just saying, how was it possible for a plan to are chairman and chief executive yet carry with him not a scintilla of governance responsibility? he repeatedly says he doesn't know what's going on in his companies. if he doesn't know what's going on in his companies, should he