>> that tells me among normal voters, when you don't have to go to yahoo or looneyland, the president is doing okay. i think what the numbers tell me, it's going to be one brutal election if he gets elected, one if he loses for the republicans, i think we're looking at a rumble. >> he is extraordinarily popular among democrats. gallup came out last week, the highest approval -- >> why is he down in approval generally. >> everything is suppressed right now. this economic anxiety is driving numbers down. in pennsylvania he's beating romney among independents. >> let's go back to john's point. you started off with a good point. you were smart to put the knife in right away. white working class. if you haven't finished four years of college, it's a working class. a crude measure, but that's the way they do it. intuitively i think he's in trouble with those people. they don't see the president as their hero yet.