>> is this a freshman problem? is it ideological or informational? >> it's all of that. they truly did not know what the words debt ceiling meant. let's admit it, it's true of most of the media, most everybody. these things were not covered before. they didn't know what was. now they have to learn what it was and they certainly weren't going to take their lesson from washington about what the debt ceiling is. they were going to take their lessons from sarah palin. that's where they go. that's their catechism. that's how they check what they do next. there is no educating these tea party people. it's just a matter of how do you maneuver around them and how do you govern? >> well, no can you maneuver around them? the news out of political he could is boehner is not trying to maneuver around them, he's trying to appease them. he's making tweaks and changes in the current bill based on the one-on-one meetings he's having. >> one of the very first things that president clinton wanted to do as president is continue the trade. presidents always continue the
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