>> do you think the president of the united states had a problem here, that you don't have? he voted against a debt creel wlg ceiling when he was senator. he used it for political purposes himg as a senator. wouldn't it be hypocriteic toll say the republicans can't do it? >> no. i think everybody ought to do what they have to do politically that doesn't hurt the nation. so right now we're in a situation where, you know, the republicans ought to own this. they ought to take the vote and i think we ought to watch them take the vote, but make no mistake, the debt ceiling will be raised. there's no question about it. >> how will it happen -- suppose everybody in the democratic caucus votes wait do you tonight and they don't vote for it. the republicans won't get 216? >> no. the republicans won't get 216 or 218 and some of us can always be counted and to do the right thing will do so. some can be counted on. some can be counted out, and i'm not going to allow the debt ceiling not to be lifted, even
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