corporations, but -- but it's just -- it's a weird sort of ine rand philosophy. what did he do at bain capital? he was a champion of creative -- the creative destruction -- >> i wish the united states was doing a better job. >> the creative destruction of capitalism is a great force, but it has to be regulated and has to be channeled. >> okay. >> it can't steam roll human beings. >> it's not just the left that's down. i think the center is down right now. anyway, thank you very much, gene robinson. wish i had more time for you. couldn't stop bernie sanders there. didn't want to. up next, off and running, nine-time olympic gold medalist karl lewis won the battle. on the ballot in new jersey to run for senate. he's here next. we'll talk to him. what is it about these really, really good athletes that makes them want to run for office? this guy, nine-time gold medal winner. this is "hardball" coming up only on msnbc.
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