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essential evil. >> absolutely. >> when did that start? >> what you got is you got some well-funded folks which have gone on, you know, they organized after barry goldwater was devastated. they came up with an absurd right wing philosophy based on iran's philosophy and what that philosophy is about is essentially you are on your own. and to be on your own means that we don't need any tax revenue for medicare, medicaid or social security. and in fact, somehow it is wonderful, you know, one of the points you made earlier, we should also dwell on, and that is while the middle class collapses and poverty increases, what else is going on? the wealthiest people are doing phenomenally well. corporations are enjoying record-breaking profits. the rich are paying -- >> you know why? here's my theory. this sounds marxist and i don't want to skip to your left on this. >> oh, my goodness. >> i want to tell you something. when i see automation and go to a cvs, used to employ a lot of people above the poverty level,
they are not. they are profit-driven machines. >> corporations are pieces of paper with signatures on them. you know, that's the corporation. yes, people work at corporations, but -- but it's just -- it's a weird sort of ine rand philosophy. what did he do at bain capital? he was a champion of creative -- the creative destruction -- >> i wish the united states was doing a better job. >> the creative destruction of capitalism is a great force, but it has to be regulated and has to be channeled. >> okay. >> it can't steam roll human beings. >> it's not just the left that's down. i think the center is down right now. anyway, thank you very much, gene robinson. wish i had more time for you. couldn't stop bernie sanders there. didn't want to. up next, off and running, nine-time olympic gold medalist karl lewis won the battle. on the ballot in new jersey to run for senate. he's here next. we'll talk to him. what is it about these really, really good athletes that makes them want to run for office? this guy, nine-time gold medal winner. this is "hardball" coming up only on msnbc. important phone call i made.
>> yeah, of course, why wouldn't they be scared? i mean, you know, the economy is going through a terrible time, and -- and income -- there's this polarization, this income polarization that's been happening in this country. didn't start three or four years ago. it didn't start with george bush. it's been happening for decades, and -- and this is the result. the rich have gotten richer and the poor have gotten poorer, and we have one of our two big parties increasingly adopting this, you know, every man for himself. every woman for herself sort of philosophy which i think is -- i mean, let's just call it what it is. i think it's immoral. i think this is immoral philosophy on religious grounds, on humanistic grounds. i think we are our brother's keeper. i think we -- >> what do you make of mitt romney, who seems like a moderate compared to these other guys, but he's saying corporations are people?
well-funded folks which have gone on, you know, they organized after barry goldwater was devastated. they came up with an absurd right wing philosophy based on iran's philosophy and what that philosophy is about is essentially you are on your own. and to be on your own means that we don't need any tax revenue for medicare, medicaid or social security. and in fact, somehow it is wonderful, you know, one of the points you made earlier, we should also dwell on, and that is while the middle class collapses and poverty increases, what else is going on? the wealthiest people are doing phenomenally well. corporations are enjoying record-breaking profits. the rich are paying -- >> you know why? here's my theory. this sounds marxists and i don't want to skip to your left on this. >> oh, my goodness. >> i want to tell you something. when i see automation and go to a cvs, used to employ a lot of people above the poverty level, above minimum wage and you walk in there it's all machines. very convenient for the customer. it's all machines.
going through a terrible time, and -- and income -- there's this polarization, this income polarization that's been happening in this country. didn't start three or four years ago. it didn't start with george bush. it's been happening for decades, and -- and this is the result. the rich have gotten richer and the poor have gotten poorer, and we have one of our two big parties increasingly adopting this, you know, every man for himself. every woman for herself sort of philosophy which i think is -- i mean, let's just call it what it is. i think it's immoral. i think this is immoral philosophy on religious grounds, on humanistic grounds. i think we are our brother's keeper. i think we -- >> what do you make of mitt romney, who seems like a moderate compared to these other guys, but he's saying corporations are people? they are not. they are profit-driven machines. >> corporations are pieces of paper with signatures on them. you know, that's the corporation. yes, people work at
essential evil. >> absolutely. >> when did that start? >> what you got is you got some well-funded folks which have gone on, you know, they organized after barry goldwater was devastated. they came up with an absurd white wing philosophy based on ine rand's philosophy, and what that philosophy about is essentially you are on your own, and to be on your own means that we don't need any tax revenue for medicare, medicaid or social security. and in fact, somehow it is wonderful, you know, one of the points you made earlier, we should also dwell on, and that is while the middle class collapses and poverty increases, what else is going on? the wealthiest people are doing phenomenally well. corporations are enjoying record-breaking profits. the rich are paying -- >> you know why? here's my theory. this sounds marxists and i don't want to skip to your left on this. >> oh, my goodness. >> i want to tell you something. when i see automation and go to a cvs, used to employ a lot of people above the poverty level, above minimum wage and you walk
corporations, but -- but it's just -- it's a weird sort of ine rand philosophy. what did he do at bain capital? he was a champion of creative -- the creative destruction -- >> i wish the united states was doing a better job. >> the creative destruction of capitalism is a great force, but it has to be regulated and has to be channeled. >> okay. >> it can't steam roll human beings. >> it's not just the left that's down. i think the center is down right now. anyway, thank you very much, gene robinson. wish i had more time for you. couldn't stop bernie sanders there. didn't want to. up next, off and running, nine-time olympic gold medalist karl lewis won the battle. on the ballot in new jersey to run for senate. he's here next. we'll talk to him. what is it about these really, really good athletes that makes them want to run for office? this guy, nine-time gold medal winner. this is "hardball" coming up only on msnbc.
they be scared? i mean, you know, the economy is going through a terrible time, and -- and income -- there's this polarization, this income polarization that's been happening in this country. didn't start three or four years ago. it didn't start with george bush. it's been happening for decades, and -- and this is the result. the rich have gotten richer and the poor have gotten poorer, and we have one of our two big parties increasingly adopting this, you know, every man for himself. every woman for herself sort of philosophy which i think is -- i mean, let's just call it what it is. i think it's immoral. i think this is immoral philosophy on religious grounds, on humanistic grounds. i think we are our brother's keeper. i think we -- >> what do you make of mitt romney, who seems like a moderate compared to these other guys, but he's saying corporations are people? they are not. they are profit-driven machines. >> corporations are pieces of
paper with signatures on them. you know, that's the corporation. yes, people work at corporations, but -- but it's just -- it's a weird sort of ine rand philosophy. what did he do at bain capital? he was a champion of creative -- the creative destruction -- >> i wish the united states was doing a better job. >> the creative destruction of capitalism is a great force, but it has to be regulated and has to be channeled. >> okay. >> it can't steam roll human beings. >> it's not just the left that's down. i think the center is down right now. anyway, thank you very much, gene robinson. wish i had more time for you. couldn't stop bernie sanders there. didn't want to. up next, off and running, nine-time olympic gold medalist karl lewis won the battle. on the ballot in new jersey to run for senate. he's here next. we'll talk to him. what is it about these really, really good athletes that makes them wan to run for office? this guy, nine-time gold medal winner. this is "hardball" coming up