essential evil. >> absolutely. >> when did that start? >> what you got is you got some well-funded folks which have gone on, you know, they organized after barry goldwater was devastated. they came up with an absurd right wing philosophy based on iran's philosophy and what that philosophy is about is essentially you are on your own. and to be on your own means that we don't need any tax revenue for medicare, medicaid or social security. and in fact, somehow it is wonderful, you know, one of the points you made earlier, we should also dwell on, and that is while the middle class collapses and poverty increases, what else is going on? the wealthiest people are doing phenomenally well. corporations are enjoying record-breaking profits. the rich are paying -- >> you know why? here's my theory. this sounds marxist and i don't want to skip to your left on this. >> oh, my goodness. >> i want to tell you something. when i see automation and go to a cvs, used to employ a lot of people above the poverty level,