>> i think unfortunately for many of these guys, they believe it. they wake up in the morning, the things they obsess about, whether it's keeping gay people from doing certain job, keeping them out of the military and keeping people like chaz bono off of dancing shows, that's their calling in the morning when they wake up, it's sad. i believe in a lot of these cases, these guys actually believe the insanity that they spew which in the end creates real hard for all gay, lesbian, transgender and bi americans. >> does it lead to gay bashing and hate speech? >> i think these guys do contribute to it. they'll make fun of it or say things are seriously wrong or people shouldn't be doing things. they want to strip their right to full participation in society. it kind of validates the feelings of some of the people who do more of the attacking, some of the violent attacks. it gives them the kind of leeway, permission to say, i'm not the only one.
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