listening and very exacting standards. and she's not hal raines. i mean, he was a much tougher hombre, but that's a worry people have. on the other hand, she was bill keller's partner for eight years. >> she saw what worked for bill. i mean -- if she -- she was his partner, and she obviously saw -- >> and also -- >> what worked and what didn't work with "the times." >> also, if you know that about yourself -- i do think one of the problems with hal raines, his deputy also wasn't a people person. you didn't have anybody to be his good cop. and i think i'm not sure yet about jill's own management structure. but she's going to need that good cop person to go out there and do all that massaging because all the people management is the hellish part. >> and when arthur salzburger asked her at a lunch interview,
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