have control of your lives, and in foreign policy, this is where power can be defused and the president can say i will send a handful over there or in this jungle here -- >> is that a counter intuitive theory. >> there's also the problem at the state level. there is dysfunction in d.c. and disfunction at the state level. and there is a tax happening on workers in ohio and immigrants in alabama and women in mississippi, so it's way beyond washington and foreign policy, and to your point obstruction is being joined with attack to divide people and distract us from the notion that i believe we can get back to work. >> and isn't itself fulfilling if you are arguing the government doesn't work and it's broken, and you are systemically breaking it by making sure that