private information, which is as simple as making sure you are up to date with security downloads and whatnot. but the larger problem is not so much individual as it is societal. and i think one of the things i hope to accomplish with this book is just to raise public awareness of the need for addressing basic structural problems in the way we exchange data on the internet. it ought to be more of a political issue. it has become more of a priority, i know, during the obama administration. but until something really drastic happens, i doubt that it will be addressed at really the highest levels. >> yeah. well, if history's any indication, your assessment certainly has good odds. mark bowden, the book, "worm: the first digital world war." thanks for time today, mark. >> you're welcome, dylan. thank you. >> yeah. coming up on "hardball," enough already. rick perry trying to russell up support by trying to revive the
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