joining me now is msnbc analyst steve schmidt. he is the former senior adviser to the mccain/palin campaign, and a senior strategist in the bush/cheney '04 campaign. and msnbc political analyst and future msnbc host, alex wagner. thank you both for joining me tonight. steve, you've seen a lot of these debates. i -- there's never been a moment in my lifetime, in the history of televised presidential debates, as what we just saw happen with rick perry. he's got these three agencies of government he absolutely wants to close down when he becomes president. just can't remember that third one. >> yeah. i think it's over for him. i think his campaign effectively ended tonight. just an extraordinary moment, the likes of which we have never seen before in a presidential debate. he had fallen off the radar screen. he's fallen to michele bachmann levels in the race, but i think it's over tonight with that.