extremes. the "new york times" this morning talking about his extreme vision of a doomsday scenario involving nuclear wes weapons that experts say isn't really going to happen. newt is an extremist, but as george will said, he would've made a marvelous marxist. >> exactly! >> he believes everything is interconnected -- >> why do you think he won the debate? >> again, it goes back. you and i are saying the same thing. i mean -- >> i doubt it. >> everything -- >> mika, he's so vulnerable for these reasons. he's so vulnerable. he's so out there. what he says is so preposterous that a skilled politician should be able to lance that pretty quickly and pretty easily. mitt romney couldn't do it. >> he's not doing it. >> well, what was interesting -- one of the things interesting on saturday night. >> by the way, barack obama's a pretty good debater. if he can't deal with newt gingrich, barack obama for all his faults --