jones' objection and maybe you think that we should have listened to bob jones's objections. >> no. it's not a matter -- that's a sort of process question. does every objection that claims to be a religious objection deserve the same accommodation? no. we think we should be able to talk about the issues on merits and we're happy to do so. i don't think taking the view we have, that having to provide sterilization and to support sterilization as a part of not what is a health care service but as a broader lifestyle choice, that as you say, the larger culture is moving toward but that even the obama administration by having a narrow conscience clause objection thinks it's worthy of some respect for the other side in a way they presumably wouldn't in the bob jones case. i think even the white house's own position here which thinks that some conscience protections are due is one that recognizes this is not tantamount to