the real issue isn't how to get manufacturing back. it's how to get good jobs and good wages back. they aren't at all the same." joining me now from burton, california, is former secretary of labor under president clinton and former uc berkeley professor, robert reich. professor reich, thank you very much for joining me tonight. i was thrilled to read your article this week, and i said, we got to get bob to talk about this. the title of your piece is "manufacturing illusion." are the presidential candidates trying to manufacture illusions about manufacturing? >> i think they are, lawrence. look, i'm all in favor of trying to get manufacturing back, and certainly, rick santorum and mitt romney have been talking a lot about manufacturing. even the president unveiled last month a six-point plan for getting manufacturing back. and i think the president's plan is much better than the republican's. but the fact of the martter is, we're not going to get