i was thrilled to read your article this week, and i said, we got to get bob to talk about this. the title of your piece is "manufacturing illusion." are the presidential candidates trying to manufacture illusions about manufacturing? >> i think they are, lawrence. look, i'm all in favor of trying to get manufacturing back, and certainly, rick santorum and mitt romney have been talking a lot about manufacturing. even the president unveiled last month a six-point plan for getting manufacturing back. and i think the president's plan is much better than the republican's. but the fact of the matter is, we're not going to get manufacturing back. for one thing, a lot of those jobs have disappeared forever, not only to foreign countries, but more importantly, to computerized machine tools, to robotics. i mean, look at a modern factory today, in the united states, and you don't see many jobs. the old assembly line is gone. you see a few technicians sitting behind computer con solace that are soles that are connected up with all the robotics and all the machine