the fec, the irs, saying these guys are just breaking the law, breaking the law and then what happens? 2011, they just go out of business and there's nobody to go after anymore. >> so there's nobody coming on the air saying my name is this, and i paid for this ad. they simply learned all these terrible things about a good guy like john spratt and i mean that. i don't think -- he was a moderate democrat. budget hawk. fit the district pretty well for a democrat. to have somebody come in and basically just -- do we even know if this person had a particular knowledge of john separate? why did they pick him? >> when i asked him that, he didn't really know. his idea was look, if you take out the budget committee chairman, you going to undermine the entire fiscal policy of the entire democratic policy, especially the president, president obama. he thought it came down simply to that. it was obviously a big trophy in 2010. >> the funny thing is, i'd say funny in the worst way. spratt made sure there was a
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