pollster. find out what people want to hear, then say that. the welfare thing is a lie. i'm not sure there are people actually working in the romney campaign who know that. i'm not aware of anyone working in the romney campaign who knows one sentence of welfare policy, not one. and so the fact that republican governors asked for this waiver means nothing to them. they are here to manipulate the truth. they are here to demagogue welfare. that is a republican party tradition. they have been doing it for a very long time. nixon forward. the southern strategy they called it of demagoguing welfare. it's all code language. their audience knows who they're talking about when they talking about welfare. >> lawrence o'donnell in the lion's den and as robust as ever. >> fun place to be. martin, it is a fun place to be. these people are all friendly to me, i'm having a great time walking around the hall. very, very nice people here.