there as well, but they were ten points apart not very long ago. and you've got a state where the unemployment rate is 7.2%. you've obviously got the auto thing on one side of the state. you've got the gas on the other side of the state. ohio to me looks very tough for romney. >> all right. so tonight we move on and add this to the conversation. vice president joe biden, a seasoned debater, will face off against congressman paul ryan who's making his debut on the national debate stage. the vice president has more experience, but polling shows his opponent has the popularity advantage. a new pew poll -- >> wait, wait, i don't understand. >> what? >> i've read that everybody hates paul ryan. >> no, no, no, i've told you, he's adorable. a new pew poll -- that is just not true. >> he's mean. he wants to throw granny off a cliff. >> now you're playing it. >> steve schmidt, this is shocking. >> come on, you two, we're not that dumb. >> i've heard paul ryan is just mean. >> let me add something to this. a new pew poll shows a majority of voters view the vice