them, and ten thhen tell them wu told them. do you it over and over until they finally buy what you bought after the fact. >> but there's -- >> and he didn't ever do it. >> there's another problem which is to go back to a point david made about the choice. if you say we're going to make a choice. this is about visions and values and policies. the problem -- a lot of problem has been the president is very good at defining mitt romney as being a throwback as you said to the bush administration, but there's got to be an alternative. the alternative is what is the president's plan for the next four years? where is the specificity? >> more jobs program, more stimulus programs. >> there's very little that voters -- that undecided voters can sink their teeth in and say this is what obama is going to do in the fex four years. >> why he saying rebuild america? why does he say we're going to put rail in, high speed -- >> infrastructure, education. >> why doesn't he bring out his infrastructure plan? >> that's what he'd like to do it seems. >> he's got a jobs bill.