punt on the issue of foreign policy. by the time of that third debate, it was more like a forfeit, okay, you win, we don't want to talk about it. but you don't get to decide when you want to learn about it or talk about it. the policy committee is in congress that makes decision about foreign policy have to make decision about foreign policy. the senate has to confirm somebody as secretary of state, even if john mccain decides he doesn't want one this year. there's a basic level of competence required, even of the opposition party on the subject. not after what george bush did with it. even if you're just in congress, even if you're just the opposition, you need to know what you're talking about. you need to have a basic level of competence. doing what john mccain says is not a reasonable substitution for basic competence on this subject. pick somebody else. frank rich joins us next. [ male announcer ] we got a real mom