in the late '60s, maybe 10% of all serious legislation was subject to some kind of filibuster related delay. now it is 90%, 95%. >> it is constant. norm, so then explain this to me. you have a better sense and i don't know your position on this. maybe you agree with it. what is the appeal of the talking filibuster? what problem are we fixing? >> i am very happy to try and move the pressure onto the minority, and talking filibuster might make a difference in a handful of cases. the problem is the one the chart points out and tom emphasized. it is twofold. the first is it is no longer an isolated individual, a mr. smith. it is a party strategy and if you have got 40 people or more who are willing to talk and all you have to do is stay at it for five minutes and then hand it off to somebody else, it doesn't solve the problem.